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Dan Candell

From Trauma to Triumph

Dan shares how he overcame trauma and difficulty and pressed forward to build an amazing career as a presenter and practitioner. 

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If you were haunted and harassed by your own inner critic, if you've ever been curious about why hypnosis works so well, if you're a seasoned hypnotist, or if you suspect that the inner critic is actually hypnotizing you to hold back from reaching the greatness that you know, deep down is inside you, lean in and get inspired to get out of your comfort zone and create your one precious life with purpose and intention. If you like this show, you'll love my powerful hypnosis audio, the answer room, because it gives you crystal clear guidance and direction and illuminates an ingenious way to make triumphant decisions.

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No matter how stuck you feel or how confused you were. This powerful hypnosis audio is my gift to you. When you go to the imposter again, that's the imposter Don't forget the, the, the imposter And yes, I'm done saying it. Thank you. Thank you. From the bottom of my heart for listening. I'm Lori Hammond, and I'm truly grateful for you. Welcome everyone. I am so grateful to have Dan candle on my show today. Dan is a multi award winning board, certified hypnotist author, and speaker.

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Dan has been doing hypnosis for over half his life. And now he travels the world with his hypnotic presentations and works with groups and individuals teaching them how to release anxiety fast, and he helps them replace it with confidence. And self-control the end is known around the world as the anxiety relief guy, he helps you positively rewire your subconscious mind to live a more high performing life. And I am so excited because I first became aware of you, Dan listening to a hypnotherapy presentation that had been recorded. I was a brand new hypnotist and I'm dreaming really big and thinking of all the possibilities, and I heard you talk about your experience on stage, tell a little bit of your story and the whole time you were speaking, I'm like getting more and more excited.

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And I'm thinking, this is amazing how it's like the example that you set is so inspiring.

1 (2m 21s):
Well, thank you so much. It's great to be on. And you're my coffee date for those of you who are listening, not watching the video, I'm drinking coffee. So you're my coffee date today. Lori's right.

0 (2m 30s):
I love that. Yeah. We're recording this at seven in the morning, my time nine in the morning, your time. And you're in Connecticut. Yes,

1 (2m 37s):
Connecticut. Yeah. And I, I preface this before we started recording. I have like a studio that I record things and that's in my house, but today they're installing a brand new shower door. My dog was going nuts. They have drills and everything like that. So I came out to my backyard, Oasis. There's hummingbird feeders behind me, a fire pit. There's there's other feeders on that side of me. So for those of you who aren't watching this, if you're listening to this, just know that I'm in my backyard Oasis. So I'm very Zen and relaxed, right?

2 (3m 9s):
It is beautiful. I feel then just looking at it. Yeah. Well, we, I, my goal with this podcast is to kind of advocate for the listener. And so even as I was describing, listening to your presentation for the first time, there was this part of me that felt so excited that you had set this example. And then at the same time, I'm telling myself this story as I listen, Oh, he's already done it so well, he has all this experience. I'm never going to do it as well as he does. And I think that's a really common experience when people see the success that others have had, right? There's this, there's this pull toward realizing that if they can do it, you can do it. And then there's this op the opposing poll saying they already did it.

2 (3m 52s):
What's left for me. So can you just kind of talk to me a little bit about

1 (3m 56s):
Absolutely. So I find what happens is in classes, when people take hypnosis classes or, or any class, there's a, it's a different level and a different layer of self doubt. And as someone who teaches hypnosis, you have to make sure that your students, they don't need to know that you, that you can do it well, that that's why they're there. They need to know that they can do it well. And that's why when I, I teach, I sometimes I have to remind myself, okay, Dan, slow down. This is the first time these people are hearing this. So you don't have to go into Dan stage mode and rattle off 10 million things and a half an hour, because it's just going to go right in one ear and out the other.

1 (4m 39s):
So sometimes I have to remind myself to like really slow down. And there was a moment where I was actually teaching a stage hypnosis class with Michael shallot in Las Vegas about a year ago. And Michael was teaching our, our students this new in stage of nos. We call them suggestibility tests. I call them concentration exercises. Now he was teaching people, this one exercise that I'd never seen before. And, and here I am like, I'm like, okay, Mr. Like hypnosis prodigy or whatever. And all our students are like, okay, Dan now know you do it.

1 (5m 20s):
And I'm like, got this, got this. And I go up, I started doing the exercise and I totally failed. And I'm like, this is a really important moment because you all see that I'm still learning. And, and, and, and, and it's still an exercise that I still have to practice before I do it because it's, so there's like an offbeat moment to it. And the exercise I'm talking about, there's one where you have someone like push on your hand and you, you make like circles with your hand. And then there's a subconscious moment where you take your hand away in the other person's hand, like levitates like that.

1 (6m 5s):
And just to get that, the timing with it and in the wording. And, and Mike came over to me afterwards and he's like, what happened? I'm like, I don't know. Like I went into learning mode again, it was actually this really cool moment. So I still know how people feel with that because it happens to me all the time. And I'll sit there and try and get the wording right. With things. Well, when I'm taking classes, cause I still love to take classes and learn, and, and I'm sitting there in class and it reminds me, that's what the, that's what our students are experiencing. There was another time recently where I was speaking at a, at a hypnosis convention and I had seen at this particular hypnosis conference, a lot of the presenters were, were kind of off to the side.

1 (6m 58s):
And it was like very divided like presenters and then attendees. And after my presentation, I went around to every single attendee and I shook their hand personally and thanked each and every one of them for attending my presentation. And there were about like 60 people and it was, it was, it was lunchtime. And I was talking to the other presenters and I say, you know, we sometimes forget that we were where they are, because most of them were, were people who are new to the profession. I said, and we also sometimes forget that we still are aware they are.

1 (7m 38s):
So as we, we need to, we need to interact. And co-mingle, and just like put egos aside and realize that we're all still learning all the time.

2 (7m 50s):
I love that. Now I mentioned in your intro that you've been doing hypnosis half your life. So I'm assuming you were in your teens when you started using hypnosis. Can you talk to me a little bit about

1 (8m 0s):
Absolutely. So when I was like 11, 12 years old, I was going through a lot of challenges in school. I had some learning difficulties. I had ju just, just having some, you know, family issues had a lot of addiction in my family that I was watching other people's struggle with. My parents had gotten a divorce and it was, my parents were really smart because they were very intelligent because they, they removed me from that entire situation. And they had me essentially every weekend and every school vacation, they had me go work on a farm.

1 (8m 42s):
So I basically worked on a farm in upstate New York from the time where I was like, I think it was like nine years old at the time where I was like 15. And, but between that, I was just, I was still struggling with things. I was struggling with anxiety. I was struggling with self self-acceptance. I was questioning my sexuality and that there was just like a lot going on. So when I was about 12 years old, my dad brought me on a camping trip and I had seen a stage hypnotist on this camping trip. And he hypnotized a bunch of people on stage and seemingly they became his puppet. So it was absolutely fascinating and something amazing happened.

1 (9m 23s):
I memorized every single thing that guy did in that show, just like that. Like, I didn't even have to think about it. It just like all gets stuck in my head. So I went home and I practiced what he did. I practiced down my friends and it worked so, so my parents found out I started to have this interest in hypnosis. And I was also, sorry, if you hear like power drills, they're installing my shower.

3 (9m 51s):
It adds to the audience. It can just allow everyone to enjoy this conversation even more. It's like birds tweeting in the background.

1 (9m 60s):
I promise I don't have bad gas sets. That's really like

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1 (10m 6s):
So in the, in the interim of, of me going through some of these challenges, my parents, they bought me a book about hypnosis and it was hypnosis for beginners by, I believe it was William Hewitt. And in that it was mainly like a therapeutic book. There's a section in the book how to hypnotize yourself to get better grades. So I, I learned self-hypnosis when I was 13 years old and I learned the typical progressive relaxation and, and that's, that's what I started using. And then I realized that there's these things called rapid inductions and instant inductions.

1 (10m 46s):
So I learned those. And I started doing stage shows when I was 14 years old. I was trained in stage hypnosis when I was 14 by Jerry Valley, Tommy V Ormond McGill and, and a few others. And I, it was just from there. I started performing all over the country when I was a teenager. My parents had to drive me to my shows because I didn't have my license yet. I opened up a business called hypnotic house calls. So I would go to people's homes. And instead of doing a Tupperware party, I'd say you have to invite 10 of your friends. It's $50 a person. And I'm, I'll hypnotize everybody to either lose weight or to reduce their stress.

1 (11m 27s):
So that's what I did as a teenager. So I'd walk out of, of, of a person's house making 500 bucks, lost, whatever I'd sell people that night. So, so 500 bucks after doing like an hour or two hypnosis seminar for their friends, for, for weight loss. Then I started doing repeats where I said, okay, now we're going to go from doing one session to four. So I would walk out of, of a person's house now making like $2,000, because I would have people pay for four sessions. And from there it just started to grow and grow and grow. And then when I was in college, I started doing hypnosis out of my dorm room.

1 (12m 10s):
And I would have student, I would see five people a day who are students all for like study improvement, I'd charge 10 bucks, a person I'd make money that way I'd still do stage shows. And, and now I have a very busy clinic. I have two other hypnotists and a therapist who works for me. And, and we have, we have more than enough business to go around. So, and I still travel all over the world, teaching and presenting did a Ted talk. The Ted talk has gotten on different YouTube channels that over like nine or 10 million views. So it's, it's, it's always growing, it's expansive. And, and I'm so thankful, so thankful for the opportunities that I receive and just for my clients, for friends that I have such as yourself in the profession, a new friend in the profession.

1 (13m 2s):
And I'm just so thankful for all this, because I always tell people if a 13 year old with a learning disability can learn hypnosis, you can too

2 (13m 13s):
Love that. I think there's something. So I've, I've talked with several hypnotists. It seems like a lot of hypnotists kind of started in their teams. And there's, I think there's a little part of me that envy that, because I think when you're that age, it's almost like you, haven't learned self doubt as strongly. And of course we have it in some areas, the teams can be the hardest years, but was there ever a time when you, you know, as you were learning and going into this, when you thought, Oh, no, what if this doesn't work or when it didn't work, besides that, that first time

1 (13m 44s):
W you know, it was more, it was more other people would, would doubt it. And, and like, my parents, they always told me have a fallback plan. And my parents were my biggest supporters, but they always said, I have a fallback plan, still go to college, get your degree. And, and so it was it also being a teenager, Laurie, a lot of people didn't want a teenager hypnotizing them. I will never forget these people booked my hypnosis show at the time. I think I charged him like 500 and I charged him like $750. I was 15 years old.

1 (14m 24s):
And, and we had like, everything set, the contract was signed and then they came back and they said, we realize you're 15. And we don't want you performing. We don't think you'll be able to connect with it was for a, what was the group that Shriner's foundation. And, and it was to raise money. So they said, we don't think you'll be able to connect to our audience and like, Oh, geez. So it's funny as they actually hired someone to do the show who is older than I was, but this person was doing hypnosis. He had done hypnosis for, for less than he actually was in like one of the same classes.

1 (15m 8s):
And w which was interesting and instill Laurie still to this day, I still get messages from other, from, from other hypnotists who say, I've been doing hypnosis for a lot longer than you have. I don't think you have anything to teach me. Like, and, and it's funny, they'll say I've been doing hypnosis for like seven years, which is clearly more than you've been doing those before. I'm like, Oh, here we go. And I used to get really insecure about those and those, I used to get really butt hurt over that. And now, like, I just got one of these emails about two weeks ago from someone who is on my email list list, who signed up for something that I have, and this person said, you have nothing to teach me about anxiety.

1 (15m 60s):
I've been doing hypnosis for 12 years. And honestly, I think you're completely wrong with everything that you say. And I said to this, I sent an email back to this person. I said, instead of telling you all my degrees and qualifications and everything like that, I don't have to please you. And I said, I, I really don't have anything to prove to you because you're not my client. I said, enjoy the rest of your day. And, and thank you for your opinion and send and, and, you know, delete. So, so it's, it's dealing with that where I've, I, I have always put, if I'm going to do something, I'm, I'm gonna, I'm going to do it right.

1 (16m 48s):
And I want to become a specialist. I want to become an expert in something. And I don't really, half-ass a lot of areas that I want to specialize in. So that's why, even when I was a teenager, there weren't many times where I said, Oh, this isn't gonna work out. I said, I'm going to try this. And, and it, and, and it, and, and in most situations it's worked out. There's been some it hasn't, but in most situations it's worked out.

2 (17m 20s):
I really love that. And I think anyone listening, if you're, you know, if there's a little voice in the back of your head saying, well, but Dan, this, but Dan, this, you can start to tell yourself, you can actually take on the characteristics that Dan utilized as a 13, 14 year old, 14 year old using this. And when you're, when you notice that voice in your head saying, what if, what if you can just say, I'm just going to try this, like, come with the place of playfulness and curiosity, imagine that you're a 14 year old doing this, and you're going to, it's going to transform not only your results, but if you do fail, you know, if it doesn't go the way you expected it to, you'll be able to blow it off and move forward.

1 (18m 0s):
What happened to Laurie? There's, there's two things that I, I realized I, I did. I it's interesting. I haven't really realized that that much before we started talking, when I would go on stage, when I was like 13, 14, even 15 years old, I would play off as if I was a lot older. And fortunately, I had a lower voice, like my low voice developed early. I used, I had facial hair early. And, and so I would look a lot older and people even come up to me now and they say, and I'm 33 at the time that we're filming this. And people come up to me now and they say, you must be what, like 44, 45.

1 (18m 44s):
And the first thing I asked is what makes you think that? And they said, well, you, you, you have this, this look, and this, this feel about you. That you're, you're, you're older and more mature. And that's because I, I had to grow up really quickly. I had to grow up really fast because some things that were going on in my family and everything, but I tell people, I'm like, I'm not people even think this when I was like 28, 29 is like, no, I'm like 30 years old. And people wouldn't believe me. And they would say, well, my 30 year old is still like sleeping on my couch in my basement. I'm like, there's nothing wrong with that.

1 (19m 26s):
I just took a different path. But I realized that Lori, what I used to do when I would go on stage, I would embody other people who were my mentors. And, and I, I remember Jerry Valley was, he would wear like a tuxedo when he would do his shows. So I bought a tuxedo and I started wearing the tuxedo and he would have us watch videos of him. And the one thing that I do, I do like, almost like impressions of other hypnotists, because I, when I was younger, I would watch all their videos. And so I kind of embodied them.

1 (20m 7s):
And there was a video that I saw of Jerry when I was like probably 15 years old. And in the middle of his show, he must've had something on his forehead or something like that in the middle of his show. He just did this and, and like walked off. So this is the dumbest thing, but for literally a hundred shows, what did I do? Just because I saw Jerry do it. I just stopped dead in the middle of my show and continued on. And I'm like, how stupid was that? But at the same time, I'm like, that was an anchor of somebody.

1 (20m 46s):
Now they understand if it was an anchor of some sorts to help me feel more confident and comfortable up there and saying, Hey, if this worked for, for Jerry Valley, and for those who are listening to this, he literally just like slapped himself in the forehead because like, like a bug landed on his forehead, slapped himself in the forehead. And, and I, and I remember the exact show. He did this. It was for new year's Eve show that he did in this auditorium and this like gymnasium that he did with a bunch of people. And he started this shopping, wasn't this dinner fantastic. Like, I would talk like him. I would watch videos of Don Morton. And I would talk like Don Mo. And I would do shows like Don, or I would do sessions like Don Martin.

1 (21m 31s):
Cause there was one time I was doing like 10 clients a day and I'd like launch into Don Martin mode. And there is no person, male, female, family, friend, coworker, neighbor, associate, or stranger. And I would just like launch into full blown Don Martin personality to now, when we're at conventions together, we have Don offs and we, where, where we'll have these, these fun impersonation moments. So, so it's, it's just, it's about having fun when I go on stage and I still do this, like I still, I know you had Melissa tears on recently on your podcast. There are times where I embody Melissa tears, which is really interesting.

1 (22m 13s):
And then I'm like, I'm going to do a, do a session like Melissa w or like, I would think Melissa tears would do a session. Yeah. So that's a, that's a fun little strategy that I use to, to overcome some of, some of the self doubt that I sometimes still get is to embody other people who would like crush this and who would go into a room like fearless. So this that's kind of a little strategy that I use.

2 (22m 39s):
I love that strategy. And it's one I've used myself and I, when I've presented stuff like this to people sometimes they'll say, well, I don't really, I don't want to fake it. And I really, I don't think it's really an, an idea of faking it till you make it, or even pretending when you model someone else. And you essentially, you're utilizing those aspects of your own personality. If you can fake it. That means that it's an aspect of your personality that might just be under cultivated. So we've learned everything we've done in life by modeling, you know, we might've modeled our, we might've seen our parents feeling insecure and self-conscious, and so when we're doing that ourselves now, you know, if there's that voice in the back of your head saying, well, I can't do this because someone has modeled that behavior for you and by you simply stepping into some behaviors and, you know, model Dan model, a person that you admire and just be that person as you present, you're going to unlock those attributes and they'll become more and more natural until you realize that you've had this identity level shift that lets you just show up that way automatically.

1 (23m 40s):
Absolutely. Absolutely. And that's where I even, it's almost like associating versus dissociating, excuse me. And one of the, one of the times where I, I, and I still have to do this and use dissociation is when I watch the videos that I post on YouTube or Facebook or, and read the comments on those videos, because when people get behind a keyboard, they can be savaged. Like they can be just so vicious sometimes and, and mean, and I was reading some of the comments that were on my Ted talk and, and I'm like, I'm like, wow, they're picking out everything I did wrong.

1 (24m 27s):
And there was even, there's a hypnotist who's now passed on. And he was actually one of my mentors. I don't want to say his name, but, but he was someone that I really greatly looked up to. And I don't think he realized, I looked up to him. And when I first did my Ted talk, he shared it on his Facebook page. And there's a lot of him just that followed him. And he said a great use of semantics, but can anyone pick out what he did wrong? And Laurie, I was on this high of like, Oh my gosh, I did a Ted talk. This was awesome. I was on this high. And I saw him post that and listen to the words he used.

1 (25m 8s):
Can you pick out what he did wrong? So all of a sudden, now there's all these hypnotists jumping on it, picking out every little nuance that could, that I, I, and, and I'm sitting here and, and I remember this, Jason Lanette was he, he, he backed me and, and, and he's a good friend. He, he stood up for me and, and, and he, in, in the Jason Lynette way, he added levity into the situation and, and he sent me a message. He's like, did you, did you see this post?

1 (25m 49s):
And like, yeah, I did thank you so much for standing up for me, but I didn't yet feel comfortable to really stand up for myself in that. And had I had, I had done that differently. I would have privately messaged that person and said, you know, I, I really respected you and you, you totally could have done that in much more of a supportive way. And so now I, I dissociate from that and I, I look at it as some of those videos. I'm like, it's not, it's not me. And I have to look at it from a different perspective of like, that's a different person.

1 (26m 30s):
And in some ways it is because I know a lot different now than I knew four years ago when I gave that Ted talk. And I knew I wouldn't have worn a blue suit with a red tie because I looked exactly like Donald Trump. And, and those are some of the comments there's no, who's he trying to be Donald Trump? I'm like, Oh, no. So anyway, it's these fun little moments where you have to look back, you have to kind of pull back and you have to look at it and almost laugh and be like, that's actually, that's, that's actually kind of funny what that person is saying and look at it a little bit differently.

1 (27m 12s):
So that's another, another technique that I use is, is dissociation because there are still some times where, where I'm like, Oh gosh, if I read into this too much, it's, it's going to get to me. So, yeah.

2 (27m 26s):
Yeah. Can you maybe articulate a little bit more how you w how you actually go through that process? Because I think for people listening, it's so scary. And I even a couple years before I decided to really put myself out there, I ha I had this, like, my personality type is such a, a pleaser personality type. And I'm so offended when people don't, don't like me and don't like, what I do. And so I kind of had to ask myself before I ever decided I was going to start going more public. What am I going to do when people criticize me? And I've noticed the more, the more people are exposed to my work, the more people don't like me. And so if you could talk a little bit more about that strategy of what's helped you, what helps you to dissociate when you, you know, cause like you get that punch in the gut feeling, how do you move forward?

1 (28m 17s):
I aye. And I'm right there with you, Lori, of, of getting that like punch in the gut and mine is more like I get this tinny feeling in my mouth and, and I just get like the cold sweats almost. So the way I deal with that is I have some of my best friends are very humbling and they're also very sarcastic and, and they bring me back to, so they'll sometimes like screenshot a comment that somebody says, and they'll send it to me. There'll be like eight, this the truth that it will be like such a nasty comment. Like my friends just, they know it's going to, it's going to poke fun.

1 (29m 0s):
So one of the things that I do is first and foremost, I will not look at the comments on those videos. If I'm in like a bad mood or if I'm upset and that's like rule number one, rule, number two for me is I go back and I, I just ask myself is okay, what would I have done differently? And just know that literally just like I said, I'm not that person anymore. I'm, I'm not that person. And would I have changed my entire message to accommodate the five people that I pissed off instead of changing 5 million people's lives that were not pissed off.

1 (29m 45s):
And no, no, I would not because I don't want to compromise who I am to appease five people that might not like me one day, just because they decide they don't like me. And here's, here's what I really learned. People who are, and I hope I can say this people who are assholes to you, to people like you and people like me are broken inside, they are absolutely broken inside. So anytime I get a, a hate comment or anytime I get like a negative Nancy or what do they call now? Complain or Karen, right. Anytime, right?

4 (30m 23s):
Yeah. Like an email from a Karen

1 (30m 28s):
And, and my partner's mom's name is Karen. And I was just telling her this last night, cause we saw her last night and I'm like, yeah, I get emails all the time from like from Karen's. And she was like, what do you,

4 (30m 40s):
I mean, by that, I'm like, no, no, no, it was a meme. It wasn't me. It,

1 (30m 43s):
Nothing to do with you it's is, is a meme. So, so anyway, so one of the things I do is I, I kind of put myself in their shoes. I have to remind myself that these people who are, who are not just criticizing me, but they're not doing it in any productive, positive way to remind myself number one, they're broken inside. Number two, they have nothing better to do than to sit here and criticize you, especially in like a public forum. Because if, if you had, and I used to do this people who used to criticize me negatively or say something really, really nasty to me, I used to track in a way like track them.

1 (31m 28s):
And I used to do more research about them. And I would realize they're not just treating me that way. They're treating everybody in their lives. Like, yes, yes. My business coach also told me she was like, Dan, I just want you to, because I never wanted to be known by other hypnotists. I wanted to do my own little thing and stay in my box. And I, I just, I never wanted to be known by other hypnotists. And then the more I put out there, just like you, the more we put out there, the more we become known, then the more we do open ourselves up to positive feedback to people loving our message to, to changing more people's lives, to influencing more people. We also open ourselves up to that other thing, which is people not agreeing with us.

1 (32m 12s):
So, so, so when I started to get that, that disagreeing, I wasn't prepared for it. And I just thought, I'm going to put this out there and everyone's going to love it. And when I realize that not everybody loves it. It's only a small percentage of the people. But sometimes that small percentage, we remember my business coach told me one time, she said, it's lonely at the top. And she said, the more you put out, the more people are going to disagree with you and you have to be ready for that. But you also have to laugh at that because most likely someone who has achieved more or greater than you have will not be the ones criticizing you.

1 (32m 53s):
Yes. Right.

2 (32m 54s):
Dan, have you seen Bernay Brown Ted talk about the man in the arena. Yes. I love that. I'll link to it below the show, but the premise is that it, that whenever, whenever someone is criticizing you, it's just, it's what you're saying. It's most often someone who's not brave enough to put themselves out there and do what you're doing. And it's, when you think about it, it's the person who's actually in the arena with you, whose whose opinion matters. The person who's been doing, what you're doing and understands what it's like to. I mean, it's scary to put yourself out there and it's, for me when I first started putting myself out there, I was like, you, I, I didn't, I wasn't trying to be public in front of hypnotists either.

2 (33m 35s):
And I, I half expected everyone to think I was an idiot. So when I actually started getting some positive feedback, it was a little bit of a boost. And then, you know, especially recently I've had people putting really controversial things up on my Facebook page. And I think of my Facebook pages, like my, my living room. And I want to cultivate it as this really beautiful space. And I want people to feel good when they're there and just like, let me love on them. And so I put this little happy meet this meme up. That was really, it was a quote that I had heard in a Ted talk and people just were lambasting me and saying, Oh, I completely disagree. And I, and I'm thinking, this is my living room.

2 (34m 16s):
Take your muddy boots off my coffee table.

1 (34m 20s):
I actually saw your post about, about something that you said where like, I look at my Facebook, like my living room. Like I love that. And I totally admire that. And I feel the same way. And people have people have in a way. And I don't know if they, if they have with you as well. But people have said to me, as someone who owns a business and as someone who is somewhat of an influencer, you should, you should use your influence as like a public forum with, with, with everything that's going on. And, and, and, and this is in the midst of just everything political that could possibly be happening is, is happening.

1 (35m 6s):
And, and I, here's my perspective on this. If I put something out there that separates and divides my audience, and let's say it separates 20%, it divides 20% of, of people from me, 20% of. So all of those people will remember six months from now that I said, or did something that was to upset. And I didn't get in business to upset people. I'm getting business to agree with people. I got in business to do my own thing and to help as many people as possible.

1 (35m 46s):
If I say nothing in my publicly, in my business, and I have conversations behind closed doors, because people don't know the conversations we're having behind closed doors. If, if I say nothing but positive things and put out things that can help people a hundred percent of, no one will come up to me and say, six months ago, you didn't say anything. And I'm offended.

5 (36m 11s):
You know?

1 (36m 14s):
And, and I was talking to somebody, someone that I had actually hired to do some work in my yard. And he's, I, I posted on my business page about my views on this, this and this. He said, and I lost 20 customers. And I'm like, what can I say? What can I say? And, and I have used about, I don't want to get political. I don't want to, I don't want to talk about those views. I have used about everything, but I don't publicly put them out there because I it's. Yeah.

5 (36m 49s):
So anyway, I'm working onward,

1 (36m 52s):
You know, but it is that where, where like Facebook and social media, I'm right there with you. I want it to be, when people come on my page, I want people to smile. I want people to feel moved. I want people to like, watch the videos I post and, and just look at the, look at the things that I post and the things I put out there and offer. And when I listen to the podcasts that you did with Jason Lynette, I said, Oh my God, finally, someone who like, who has very similar views and approaches and the way that I do. Cause you had said something really cool. You're like, I don't really focus that much on like hypnosis as like, as like an induction or things like that.

1 (37m 37s):
It's just all like process. And I'm like, Oh, thank you. And, and a woman, Kim Turgeon who works for me and, and who I'm, I'm pushing her. I'm like, Kim, you gotta, you gotta go on podcasts. And because she has blown it up in like in a matter of a year, she's been doing this Lori for less than a year and she has loan it up. She is getting results with, especially like with kids and specifically. So I, I trained her because she had sent me literally like 25 or $30,000 in referrals.

1 (38m 19s):
And because I, I helped her daughter and her daughter had a condition called pandas. And Kim is, is, she's a pandas advocate. And I'm not like the soft cuddly kind. But for those of who don't know, pans and pandas, it's a medical condition where when children get strep or tonsillitis, it, it caused like swelling in the brain. And it causes severe behavioral changes, emotional issues. And like your kids change overnight. And many times parents don't know how to, they don't know what to do. They don't know how to adapt their parenting styles to accommodate these changes.

1 (39m 1s):
And people will look at them, they'll look at the parents sometimes and say, wow, that person doesn't know how to parent their kid. And that's a hundred percent wrong. It is a, it is a condition that literally changes your kid in, in many cases. And, and it's relatively like new diagnosis. So anyway, so, so Kim had come to me with her daughter and we had amazing results. And then she put me on this like radio show and I started getting referrals left and right. And she started set up. Then she hooked me up with this doctor. And so I met with Kim for a glass of wine one night and I said, what do you want?

1 (39m 46s):
I can't give you money. I said, I can't give you money for like sending me people. I said, but what can I do for you? And I'm like, I can see your entire family for free. What can I do for you? She said, I want to do what you do. And I don't mentor people. And, and I thought, what's a way that I can really change Kim's life. And so I said, I don't mentor people privately. Now I take on a few people, but I said, I really don't. I, so, so what I did, I took him under my wing. I mentored her. She's also a school teacher and she right out of the gate, she just started working with people and getting amazing results.

1 (40m 34s):
And the way she does hypnosis, she'll like, get down on, on I've. I've seen this for myself and Laurie. I see her like, cause she she'll use my office when I'm not in my office. So we'll sometimes like compete and I've seen her go in with a, with a child who hates everybody and everything. And within 30 seconds she wins over this kid. She'll bring a blanket and she'll get down on the floor and she'll say, hi. I'm like, I'm miss Kay. And I just, I I'm now learning from her. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, like, this is such a different way of working with people.

1 (41m 17s):
And, and she took what I taught her and she ran with it and she developed her own styles. And she, she said, I just thought this is what hypnotists were doing. Cause she integrates her teaching modalities with it. I'm like, no, I'm like people aren't doing this. So I'm pushing her to like get on more podcasts and stuff like that as well. But she, she had said to me, she was like, Oh my gosh, like I listened to Laurie's podcast. And, and she said, you and Laurie have very similar styles of working with people. And, and then I listened to your podcast to the podcast you did with Jason. I listened to your podcast.

1 (41m 58s):
And I'm like, Oh my gosh, we, we, we really do have very similar perspectives. And I even reached out to you I think. And I think Lori, I think you are a fabulous leader in our profession and I really do. And I think more people can and need to and should learn from you and people like you because there's one thing that I see when I go on your Facebook page, right? When I listened to your stuff, I hear two amazing things that don't come naturally to a lot of people. And that is kindness and compassion. And, and to approach your work with a level of kindness and compassion and also put love in there as well.

1 (42m 39s):
That's what I think really I have noticed for me really helps change people's lives is the one thing people, you know, I built my business on being, being honest and, and being caring and, and being understanding. And, and that's, it's not something that you can really teach it's I think it's just something that comes naturally. And, and I had to actually learn to a few things happen in my life where I actually had to relearn how to be caring and compassionate and kind to my clients because I, for a little while started to kind of go road.

1 (43m 22s):
And it was Ken Gutsow, who actually reminded me to look at my clients with an authentic connection and, and an authentic intention. And now whenever I sit with a client, I have like my, my grandfather who's like my guardian angel. He had just passed away a couple of months ago. And he is like my, my hip, no guardian angel. And I look at every one of my clients now, like I would look at my grandfather and it just, it changes the way that we do work with people. So, so again, thank you for, for being that for our profession, because I think especially right now, our profession needs that.

2 (44m 6s):
Thank you. That means so much. And I think in the long run, people don't remember what you do. They don't remember all your accolades, but they remember how you make them feel. And I think if a person feels loved and seen and heard in your presence, that can be as transformative as anything else that we do.

1 (44m 24s):
Absolutely. Absolutely. And we have to remind ourselves too, sometimes the trials and tribulations we've gone through. Cause I do believe sometimes we do need to bring ourselves back down to earth and, and there's the past like four years. I think it's when you get to be like in your early to mid thirties, you have to start dealing with a lot of loss and a lot of tragedy and also confronting like a lot of different health things and stuff. And, and it was about a year ago that the, the doctors called me, they thought I had leukemia and, and I honestly didn't know if I would still be here.

1 (45m 15s):
So that's like, that's one of the reasons why I started hiring other people. And that's why I hired, you know, one of the reasons why he trained and hired Kim and, and another therapist, Liz, who was also licensed a mental health counselor and trained her in hypnosis to take over some of my practice. And I'm just so thankful for the community of, of people that surround me and support me

2 (45m 43s):
Well, if this would be an appropriate time to segue in, I would love to talk. You had mentioned that you recently dissolved the membership and I wondered if you would talk to us a little bit about that in the context of us silencing our own imposter monsters and what that story is behind the scenes.

1 (46m 0s):
You are the first person I'm talking to about this, like publicly. So, okay. About two, maybe three years ago, I wrote my first book and it was the hypnotic connection and community has always been such an important word for me. And I realized I was always chasing other people's communities and, and trying to be a part of everybody else's community. And finally I realized, you know what, Dan make your own damn community, like, just make your own community. And you have, you have all these people that follow you make your own community. So what I did, I, I wrote a book and by the way, I ha I accidentally the first version of the book accidentally had a thousand copies of the unedited version published.

1 (46m 48s):
So for those of you, people who bought the first thousand copies of my book, Oh my God. People came back talking about like imposter monster. People came back to me, circling all of the mistakes that I've made my book. And I'm like, I paid an editor and I like, I hired professionals to do this. And I'm like

2 (47m 13s):
The wrong

1 (47m 13s):
Version of the damn book. So for those people who have the first thousand copies of my book, you have a prize to do, because if you don't think I fixed that. So I went and I actually turned it into like a little contest and, and like, send me your errors. And so I had a bunch of people like sending me all these errors and stuff like that. So I went back and I, I fixed everything and I actually lengthened the book. So I, so part of that, I wanted the book to be an entryway into my funnel. So then I developed a, a membership community called the make success happen, inner circle.

1 (47m 57s):
And I had like, like cake work. I had 25% of the people who bought my book, signed up for my community. And it was like $27 a month. And the deal was, I was going to upload a coaching video, a workbook and some type of mental conditioning audio every month. So they're going to be like three, three things. And, and that, that worked. And then my funnel stopped working and, and just my funnel broke. So then I tried all these different ways to sell the membership. And there were a few things missing in the membership.

1 (48m 37s):
So then I hired a marketer, a person to do marketing for me, and I paid them a lot of money. And we said, okay, let's do like instead of $27, let's do a, a dollar trial membership. And then it goes to like $97 and then COVID happened. And he said, you know what? Let's go from. We decided people can't afford $97 a month. Right. Or they're not gonna want to spend it right now. So let's do a dollar trial week trial to $67 a month. And he said, you'll add a live component. So every other week you'll do a live a group call.

1 (49m 20s):
I was getting a lot of people who would say, I want a dollar trial. And then after it hit sixties, or before it would hit $67, they would say, okay, I don't want to pay for this. And they'd ask for a refund or they'd ask me to stop their payment. And that was about like 70% of the people. And that made me feel awful. And I'm like, Oh my gosh. I'm like, I have 70% of the people who are more backing out of this. And I'm like, is the content not good? Enough is like, like an ice. And this was just like a couple months ago. And then I started asking like, what's wrong with me? Why don't people want to stick in this?

1 (50m 1s):
Like, I honestly think $67 a month and you get your, you're basically a hypnotist to, to, to be there with you, like 24 seven. I'm like, that is, that sounds stellar. Cause I, I honestly, or I charge 500, $750 per session when I'm working with people. And so I'm like to get me for 60, not to toot my own horn, but essentially to get an, a program like this for $67 a month is, is, is a cakewalk and, and should be a simple decision. So I started wondering like, is it the content? Is it not resonating with people or the people not liking me in the videos? Do people not like my audios?

1 (50m 41s):
So I started to be filled with all this self-doubt and I started saying to myself, author, I just, I don't, this isn't going the way I wanted it to go. I would do the group sessions and online, and I wanted it to be like a participation thing. And it would be like pulling teeth to get people to participate. So then it was interesting because then I saw you were doing group sessions and it was real, the synchrony synchronicity here was really interesting because I like, I like a content calendar of group sessions and you, I don't know how you did this. You were following me content calendar.

1 (51m 21s):
And you're like, I'm doing one this week on motivation. I'm like, shit, I'm doing one motivation there. I'm doing one this week. And I'm on imposter syndrome. I'm like, shit, I'm doing one this week on it. So you and I were following like the same content calendar. So then I saw you were doing it. And then that felt like that made me wonder, like, is she, it seems like she's getting like all these people attending hers and I'm getting like, like five or six people showing up for my group sessions and she's getting like 50. I'm like, what the hell? So then I saw what you were doing. And I'm like, there's something I'm not right. So what I did, I dissolved the membership and, and I told everybody, I'm like the people who are in it, you still get access to everything.

1 (52m 10s):
And what you'll get is any group session. I do, you get in it for free. And, and like, people are fine with that. I created like a Facebook community and everything like that. And it just, it just, it wasn't working out. So I dissolved it and I dissolved it, I think because of my own self doubt. I'm like what aren't people liking? So then we did the research and after I had, I don't want to say dissolve is a nasty word. I shouldn't say dissolve. I, I put it on the back burner and canceled everybody's payments. So nobody was paying me anything anymore. And at the time that I canceled, I had about 30 active people in it who, who were paying monthly.

1 (52m 58s):
So after we did all the research and the analytics and surveys and stuff like that, we found out that the reason why people were dropping out was because the majority of people joining were therapists and hypnotists who wanted to see what I was doing. And then they got a small taste of it and then wanted to leave because they didn't want to pay $67 a month. Interesting. That was about 80% of the people that, that, that, yeah. So, so that was that. And, and I'm thinking about it now and I'm like, okay, do I reconvene?

1 (53m 42s):
Do I do so I'm, I've just changed directions so many times throughout this, the whole pandemic. And that was one of the ways I changed directions, but the reason why like morphed, it was because I was like, I don't think people are liking this. Like, it must be something about me and it really had nothing to do. I think that's where the imposter monster won. It won that battle, but it's not going to win the war.

2 (54m 8s):
I love that. And, and you learned from it to me, that's the takeaways you learned from it. You're still, you know, you didn't close the doors and stopped, you know, you're still, you're still moving forward. I, the first time that first podcast I did with Jason Lanette, I've shared this before, but I got finished with the podcast I pushed and after he hung up and I immediately started thinking, why did I say that? Why, why did I say that I've met at night? I went out and I was listening to live music, and I didn't hear anything because I was thinking, I need to close down my website. I need to just hide. You know, I'm going to be the laughing stock of the hypnosis community. We tell ourselves these stories and we make this meaning out of things that don't have to mean, you know, we, what if it actually meant something really awesome.

2 (54m 55s):
So thank you so much for sharing that here. I'm so grateful

1 (54m 59s):
And you are, you are the first one that I shared that publicly with. So

2 (55m 3s):
I appreciate it. Me and my D this podcast is going to go viral and millions of people will hear it. And they'll they'll know who their go-to anxiety person is. Right. Will you talk to me a little bit about when you decided to launch your anxiety products on a wider scale?

1 (55m 20s):
Yes. So this is where, like I said, I, I was originally working with people who, who had anxiety gave me anxiety because I, I was like, Oh my gosh, like, I hope this works. And what happens if people are still anxious? And what I realized was I can't take away. Everybody's everything, anxiety. It's just, you should have some anxiety about some things. And, and then I took a course from Melissa tears and I really do feel like she changed the way I do hypnosis. And, and I tell her this too, when, when I see her and I'm like, I really do feel like you change the way I do hypnosis.

1 (56m 6s):
And, and then I started learning about a certain finding out who she learned from and started learning from those people. And, and that's where I started taking what Melissa tears taught me and changed a lot of it to work for me and, and, and added a lot of my own stuff to it. And where it's something I call the accelerated change protocol. And it's, it's just this whole way of, of working with people that it really does help people very, very quickly where it like clears, clears a problem from the person's mind. And so I hired a marketing team and, and I, I just, I started calling myself the anxiety guy, but there's already someone, who's the anxiety guy out there who has millions of followers.

1 (56m 58s):
And I'm like, Oh my God, I can't call myself that. So someone, someone said to me, they're like, there's a word missing, there's a word missing there. So I'm like, what, what is the word? This is a, what do you do? I say, I help people release anxiety. I give people relief from anxiety. And we're like, that's it? The anxiety relief guy. And someone even said that makes so much more sense, because if someone calls themselves the anxiety person, it sounds like they're going to give them anxiety. And you're the anxiety relief guy. So you take it away. So I started to, to record more videos and, and go more public with this.

1 (57m 39s):
And, and that, again, that's where I start to get a lot of messages from therapists. And from, from just from even some, from some other professionals in our profession that say, basically, what do you know about this? Like, w why, why should people seek you out? And, and it was almost like a lot of other professionals who were, who were doubting me. And, and then some of the clients that I would get to some, some clients would say like, I've had this for so long. There's no way that you can resolve my anxiety.

1 (58m 20s):
And just a matter of like three or four hours. And so I I'd hear a lot of that, but what, what keeps me going is my own belief in my own process and in my abilities to help people out, because I've, I've seen so many people make these amazing life transformations that, that there's, there's too many people who have made them for me to doubt this process. Right? So, so that's where going on a larger scale with this creating a podcast, it really been this whole brand. And I've created this whole brand around being the anxiety relief guy.

1 (59m 2s):
And it's morphed many times, we're in the middle of a morph right now, where we're now, where we're targeting entrepreneurs and business professionals, but we're also targeting teens and their parents. And it, the messaging has to be completely different. So, so it is this, this discovery process I'm constantly going through myself. And, and then I had to ask myself, what's my story with anxiety. And about four years ago, three or four years, I think it was about four years now where something traumatic happened to me on stage.

1 (59m 42s):
And, and I almost, I almost gave up, I almost quit hypnosis. I almost gave everything up. And I like got a job at Walmart. And what happened was I was doing a comedy hypnosis show and there was a Catholic high school that I was performing at. I had performed at several times before, and there's just a change in administration. And some, some kids had found out about my personal life and, and my sexuality and I don't ever try and hide it.

1 (1h 0m 23s):
It just like who cares? What does it matter? So what, and I walked on the stage and a group of kids got together and started screaming, get off the stage. You F and fag, you queer, you homo. And people just like continuing to shout that throughout the show. And then I used to do an intermission in my shows. So during intermission, I would, I would send the students out into the audience and have them do some sort of skit in the audience. Like every time they say they're, they try and say their name, their tongue falls out or something like that. It's just something like ongoing that would keep them in a hypnotic state, but still allow them to go get a drink of water, go get snack support, like the booster club, whatever it was.

1 (1h 1m 12s):
So after intermission, this, the, the leader of the, the ringleader of the circus that was starting, all this stuff in the audience, he came up after intermission. Now, when you're doing a stage show, Lori, there's like 20, 25 people on stage. It's sometimes impossible to keep track of everybody. And so I didn't realize that this kid had come up, not knowing he came up to cause a problem. So, so I put everybody back into hypnosis and or no, excuse me. I said, okay, everybody sit down and, and had everybody sit back on stage. And this girl went over to that, that kid who came up and she ripped the chair out from underneath them and pushed them off the chair.

1 (1h 1m 57s):
And I said, what'd you do that for I'm like, don't, I don't promote violence on me saying like, what'd you do that for? He said, in a high school girl, she said he doesn't deserve to have a chair. He's a jerk. He's the one that was screaming, mean things about you in the audience. Oh, okay. So in a fit of rage, this kid, Laurie, he ran back to one side of the stage clothes lined this girl, they slid under the curtain and she claims that he punched her in the face. So that's a lot of stuff to happen in process in the matter of like an hour and a half hypnosis show.

1 (1h 2m 40s):
So I, I ended the show like I'm done, I'm done. And I will never be back here. I'm done. And I had a couple of choice words for, for the students. And I just, I ran off stage. I'm like, bye. I got my car. I cried. I called a couple of my friends. I, I didn't know what to do or how to respond to this. That's never happened to me before. And I just, I didn't know how to deal with it. So I had another show the very next night. And I'm like, you got this just, you know, that was an isolated incident. You've got this. They introduced me.

1 (1h 3m 21s):
I tried to walk on stage and it was like, I hit a wall. I literally like, I was about to walk on stage and it was just a boom. And I got nauseous. I started dry heaving. I, I, I couldn't speak, I didn't know what to say. I just fricking forgot. My entire show is like someone took an eraser, like squeegee that clean my mind was clear in a good way. And so I, I did a little bit of an anxiety relief technique that I was teaching my clients. Cause I, I, wasn't the anxiety relief guy at this at this time.

1 (1h 4m 3s):
This helps me earn my street credit. No kidding. So, so long story short, I went and did the show. I think it was an awful show, but other people say like, you know, show is fine, whatever. I was just, it was a battle to get through that show. Then I had to fly to Vegas to give a couple of corporate presentations, just some corporate groups that I worked for. And one of my students was actually, and this wasn't a hypnosis conference. This was at like an actual thing that I got hired to do that had nothing to do with hypnosis. And I was, I was the keynote speaker.

1 (1h 4m 43s):
One of my students, former students, so happened to be there. And he noticed that 15 minutes before my speech, I was backstage bawling my eyes out, freaking out like saying like, where's the, where's the bourbon really looking just for some way to clear my nerves. And he, before he took my hypnosis course, he was a master NLP. And this is how it, this is how I got the gig because had taken my hypnosis course. He was already an NLP master. And he knew the people at this corporation and was friends.

1 (1h 5m 24s):
So he, so he had them hire me. So he comes over and he's like, what is going on with you? He's like, you are a mess. And, and I said, I can't, I can't do this. I can't do this. I said, you know what, I'm I'm done. I'm done. I'm never going to do this again. I said, I'm calling the airport right now. I'm going to book a plane ticket home by, and as I'm about to leave, he goes, get over here. And in 30 seconds, a matter of 30 seconds, I don't like using the word cure, but in a matter of 30 seconds, he cured my anxiety using this NLP, like cluster of, of words that just can't.

1 (1h 6m 7s):
And I'm like,

5 (1h 6m 10s):

1 (1h 6m 11s):
And, and for, and it was like, I felt great for a while. And then I just wanted to make sure I continued to feel great. So I went to another hypnotist that I really trust. And she had worked with me for, for like one session and with the combination at 30 seconds, and then like another hour and a half session just totally cleared it. Amazing. And I'm like, Holy shit. I now know what I want to do with people like, and that kind of, that ignited my brand. And about five months ago, I got an email from a non-US [email protected].

1 (1h 7m 1s):
And this is going to be, I hope this doesn't make me cry. I'll try it. And so first and foremost, every time for two years, Lori, every time I talked about that, I just, I couldn't talk about it without crying, because it just brought back a lot of stuff. I got an email a few months ago from anonymous [email protected]. And it was basically Dan, I just want to apologize. I said some really mean things to you at a show that you did and caused a lot of problems for you. And I was just trying to show off to my friends and my buddies and blah, blah, blah.

1 (1h 7m 46s):
So he said, I shouldn't have done that. I realize it's not right to make fun of people for something that they cannot change. And please accept my sincerest apology, sincere, sincerely anonymous apology, by the way, we think it's a great show. We still laugh about everything.

5 (1h 8m 6s):
Oh my God.

1 (1h 8m 9s):
I'm just like, I was sitting on the couch with my boyfriend. I just started like bawling my eyes. And he was like, what's good. What's wrong. I'm like, you're never going to believe this. And I, I still, I like to think it's that, it's the kid from that show. I, I still, I don't know. Cause then I was like, what have other people said about me that I maybe didn't hear? You know? But I like to think it was from that kid. And I'm like, what a powerful moment, what a powerful moment that was. And, and not just for me, but I'm like for him. And, and then a couple of pieces started to click together in my head.

1 (1h 8m 53s):
And I'm [email protected]. What are the letters of like the AA, right? And I'm like, this is really interesting because this person would be probably about 20 years old, 21 years old by this time. And like, maybe he was going through some things and maybe anonymous, apologies is the email extension that AA uses for one of them. So anyway, that I know I went off on a couple of tangents there, but that was just, that was like my starting point of being the anxiety relief guy.

1 (1h 9m 34s):
And some people say, you know, we're so sorry that happened to you. And the first thing I tell them, I said, I'm not because if that didn't happen, I'd probably wouldn't be where I am today. And I probably wouldn't be doing what I'm doing today and, and helping people with all different forms of anxiety. So, yeah, that's my,

2 (1h 9m 54s):
I am so grateful for you sharing that as you were, as you were speaking, my heart just went out to you and I know so many people listening will have the same experience where, you know, you took us on this spectrum of emotions to this. This sounds like the worst thing that could happen, like imagining being on stage in front of an audience full of people and just experiencing that humility and then wanting to just throw in the towel and say, I give up. And when you think now to that email, you got five months ago and you know, that kind of culminating that experience,

1 (1h 10m 26s):
It closed the loop.

2 (1h 10m 28s):
And I, I want anyone listening to realize you are braver than you think you are more resilient than you think that this thing that's hard, that's happening to you or this thing you're afraid might happen to you. It's going to make you stronger. And Dan, if you think about the people that have come to you and said, thank you for changing my life, Kim and others, it makes it all worth it. Doesn't it.

1 (1h 10m 51s):
It really does. And it's opened up so many powerful connections and to get back on the Kim tangent for a second, Kim introduced to me, to her brother who is a personal trainer, and he's like a celebrity personal trainer. And, and he's been on TV and in movies and stuff. And I, I started working with him and after I started working with him, I back to the oncologist and the oncologist said, whatever, you've been doing, keep doing it because your levels went down. You're no longer risk for leukemia. And he like, he totally changed my life. And Kim says, you changed the life of my family and my daughter. And she's like, I just hope I can repay you. And, and I, I, you know, you, you have, so it, it literally, it just, it comes full circle and it, it really is a, a Testament to, we all have the ability to change people's lives.

1 (1h 11m 47s):
And if, if that imposter monster sometimes gets the best of us, remember sometimes it may win the battle, but it doesn't have to win the war. Yes.

0 (1h 11m 59s):
I love that so much. My heart is so full. Thank you so much for letting us go on this journey with you. Absolutely. Before we wrap up, is there anything else you'd like to say to the peak, to the listeners? Any, any nugget of wisdom you'd like to leave with us?

1 (1h 12m 14s):
I, and every podcast, every interview, every video with these words and it's because I really mean it. And I really truly do believe that when you do these three things, you can be on the top of your game in every aspect of life. And that is be well, do good and be true to who you are.

0 (1h 12m 33s):
I hope you loved that episode and have come away feeling inspired and ready to take action in your own life. Please remember that you are resilient. And I believe if Dan can do it, you can do it. And look forward to next week because Kim Turgeon, who is who Dan was talking about on this episode is going to be our guest next week. And I think you will absolutely love the inspiration she offers as well. I'm so grateful. You've listened all the way to the end. What is one tiny action step you'll take now, based on an aha moment you got during the podcast, maybe that life changing action step is to come accept the gift I have for [email protected].

0 (1h 13m 20s):
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